Need-greed/group loot
Applies ONLY to:
– Looking-for-group (LFG) Cataclysm content dungeons (lvl 80-85), Rare or Epic quality items in dungeon boss loot table (no trash loot)
– Rare mounts from any dungeon or any raid
You are only allowed to click “need” on above items when:
- you intend to use the item/mount on your character (any spec) and do not already have the max number of the item for your class, or
- you intend to freely trade the item to another eligible player who will use it as above, or
- all other players in the group selected “pass”.
Any other use of /need rolls in the above situations is subject to punishment which can include long-duration dungeon deserter debuff, removal of items or gold, or account bans.
Important notes!
The LFG /need system is class-based. Players can never click /need on LFG boss loot if an item is completely invalid for their class.
Offspec rolls are ALLOWED! There is no rule against a healer rolling /need for his tank spec or similar, as long as the item is intended to be used.
How to report an LFG ninja:
1) Use the report player function. Note that this must be done within 5 minutes of the ninja loot.
– select the player’s healthbar or the name in the chat window.
– right click to the context menu
– select “Report Player”
– select “Cheating”
– In the text field that is available, only write the item’s name (please do not include other details).
2) ONLY open a gamemaster ticket if you can not make a cheating report for some reason.
Avoid making false ninja reports!
If you make a lot of ninja looting reports which are found to be wrong, your ability to use the reporting system may be removed.
What if you mis-clicked need on an item?
1) Immediately in the party chat, use English language, ask if anyone else would like to have the item. Explain that you mis-clicked need.
2) If someone else asks for the item, freely trade it to them.
3) If nobody else will accept the item, it is recommended that you drag-drop the item out of your inventory to destroy it. Doing this will aid in the investigation of the case if someone reports you for ninja-looting.
Loot restitution:
If LFG/mount ninja-loot is identified, gamemasters may mail one of the item to another player who was eligible to receive the item.
Master looter raid
We have set up rules to prevent people taking advantage of the power a Master Looter has, as many of you consider this to be a major issue.
In situations where a clear looting agreement was made, and that agreement was not adhered to, we may investigate a possible scam and take action based on what can be verified. These are very specific agreements though and proper proof that an agreement has been made in the beginning of a raid needs to be provided together with the actual breach of that agreement. (If loot rules were stated at the beginning but new player(s) join afterwards, it is the raid leaders responsibility to make sure the new player(s) know and understand the loot rules before a boss gets pulled.)
Please note that although we are happy to assist you if you fall victim to a scam, it is always easier to prevent such a situation from ever occurring. Every time you join a raid group you are agreeing to the rules that are set up by the Raid Leader/Master Looter and it is in your best interest to ask & confirm what they are.
Nevertheless, if you do get into a situation where the Master Looter disregards the previous agreements that have been made, you can report it to us by using the #ticket-submit channel on our Discord (add a description of what was happening + all necessary proof).
We will be able to investigate the issue and take appropriate action should a scam have occurred; please note that restorations are not guaranteed, and indeed in the majority of cases we won’t be able to perform any further loot distribution or reassignment, but all reports will be dealt with.
Standard Loot rules
If the raid leader/master looter doesn’t state specific loot rules, the following rules will apply:
In each raid in which loot is distributed using the master loot option, loot will be distributed to a person who rolls the highest via a roll (command /roll or /roll 100, the range must be 1-100) on an item announced in ingame chat by the person distributing the loot.
Only items suitable for the rolling person’s class can be rolled for (for example warriors needing on cloth are disregarded).
Loot agreements
What is a proper looting agreement?
- All tier tokens reserved for guild, everything else will be distributed via rolling.
- Gurthalak reserved, everything else via /roll.
- All loot will be distributed via rolling.
Main Spec > Off Spec (MS > OS) is not a valid looting agreement that would be taken into consideration by a GM dealing with such a case.
While most people may understand what MS > OS means, they may not always agree that MS means the spec they are currently fulfilling a role for. If a players main spec is DPS but the player enters the raid as a Healer (because that is what the raid needs), the player still wants to have DPS gear usually. GMs are unable to determine what spec a player may have been using or what would be considered a players main spec.
TwinStar does not consider payment of gold for loot as a valid master looting agreement. If a complaint is received about a raid leader’s distribution of loot, the case will be evaluated according to our rules regarding raid ninja looting, without consideration of any gold-related claims.
Requirements on proof
What do you need to have proper proof for a loot scam?
- A screenshot of loot rules stated by the Raid Leader/Master Looter (if there were any).
- A screenshot of rolls on the item in question – item announcement, rolls of all players, who received the item.
- Evidence of any subsequent discussions between the players in question, should these discussions be a part of the argument for reporting.
All screenshots have to be unedited and need to show the whole screen/UI, including raid frames.
Only rolls made between that item announcement and another item announcement count as valid. Each player can only roll once on a specified item, any subsequent rolls do not count. Loot distributors are expected to roll and distribute items within a reasonable time after the kill, and allow others a reasonable time frame for rolling.
Both, the Master Looter and the player wrongfully receiving the item can be punished for scamming.
We are only dealing with Cataclysm-content raids and will examine cases for older raid instances where the item in question is very rare, such as a special mount.
Loot restitution:
If raid ninja-loot is identified, gamemasters may mail one of the item a player who should have received the item according to highest /roll and class eligibility (not spec).
Last update 9.4.2024